jon: well, and he won 41% in 2008, i don't want to make it sound like he cleaned john mccain's clock, he won 41% which is slightly better than democrats typically do. mary katherine? >> and, jon, that's the thing about these voting blocs that tend to skew either way, women for democrats, men for republicans, is that you only have to peel off a certain number of those voters. and the reason we're talking about this gender gap now and the reason we generally do, the reason we talked about women so intensely for a while is because republicans turned the tide and won women in 2010. and so democrats were concerned about that, and they spent a lot of time messaging on that. the reason we're talking about it now is because as mr. rosenberg says, they're closing that gap a little bit on the left. but a lot of these guys are still hurting really bad. like i said, white male working-class voters hit hard by the economy, 55-28 for romney in a recent study from the public religion research institute. so there's a lot of work to be done, and there's a message to say, hey, look, this is not the new